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Reality TV - Real Estate Flipping - Did it Flip Us Off with Lies?

Reality TV is all the rage on TV for the last year or so in the real estate frenzy we've all just lived through.No questions asked! The shows seemed to be geared toward the ask no question crowds of crazed would be investors and do-it-your-selfers obsessed with easy profits..  For those of us that are seasoned in real estate it was just hard to swallow a lot of the TV and media hype.  After all, true acquisition costs, adn real expenses such as commissions and tax consequences were never part of any of the shows.  But did anyone ever assume that fraud could be part of the show?

In the Atlanta area, a recent evening news station just ran an expose that revealed some startling news about the reality show.  The news quickly traveled though the real estate community in Atlanta, but I was curious if the story received press anywhere else.  The article I am linking contains most of the details that were aired on the TV shows.  They did not show the "SOLDS" signs on the homes that were never really sold at all, or the fact that the real estate license was in fact revoked prior to the shows airing. Investors claimed their investment dollars disappeared!  I'd love to hear your reaction and comments on the Article.

Not-so-real estate on ‘Flip This House' Investigation reveals that home-flipping show may have sold bill of goods to viewers

Fight This Lawsuit - Article where real estate license was revoked. Researched  and contributed by Ray Delao

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Haven't heard anything about Atlanta. Last fall one of the episodes featured a home in Las Vegas and I was able to figure out the house from the owner's name and house number. Like any show, it ended with the 'potential profit figure', but according to our tax records the owner still owns the home.
Posted by John Novak - Las Vegas and Henderson NV Real Estate (Keller Williams Realty The Marketplace) over 3 years ago
Same story here!  I had friends that has shown it.
Posted by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Paramount Properties) over 3 years ago

I have not heard a thing about that story but it doesn't surprise me.  Personally I am not much of a television watcher and don't watch reality tv at all so have not watched the home shows.  My friends do though I can't believe how many people have asked me to find them killer deals.  I don't know about your market but in our market there is just not enough room to flip a house and come out ahead unless you really know what you are doing. 

I wasn't sure if I was at the right post when I looked at your picture.  It looks nice though, I need to update mine but am not thrilled about getting my picture taken.

Posted by Marchel Peterson Spring TX Real Estate E-Pro (Results Realty) over 3 years ago
It seems that the media has lost its objectivity -- that is a real shame -- I am an advocate of free speech, but I think the media has a duty to report all sides.
Posted by Joan Whitebook, ABR,e-Pro,CEBA Southern New Hampshire (Buyer's Option Realty Services) over 3 years ago
I was just talking today in my office about that show, and I was surprised that everyone always seemed to make a lot of money.  I would expect that from people that have flipped houses before and have teams in place but not always for people trying to flip a house for the first time.  Of course I'll still keep on watching because I love to see what they did to the houses.
Posted by Suzanne Cutler >Success! Real Estate> Real Estate Braintree MA, Real Estate MA (Real Estate Quincy MA, Real Estate Weymouth MA) over 3 years ago

Marchel - I had some friends tell me about it, then I found the article. 

Joan They really need to get the facts out.  Let's think about it this way...many viewers will go out and try to duplicate these investments, and will lose big money!  Really deceptive if they knew the agents already had licenses revoked.

Posted by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Paramount Properties) over 3 years ago
Suzanne  I love the shows to see the transformation.
Posted by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Paramount Properties) over 3 years ago
We didn't hear about up here in Blue Ridge but I am going to check out this article.  
Posted by Blue Ridge Ga Real Estate >> Real Property in Blue Ridge Georgia (United Country Landmasters) over 3 years ago
Well a funny story I was in another company and a email came out that said no one was to appear on any show like this without permission from parent company. Real estate signage in the homes may not reflect good corporately.
Posted by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Paramount Properties) over 3 years ago

Jim,

My husband and I have enjoyed watching some of these for entertainment in the past.  We enjoyed watching the people from Charleston that started one of these shows but some of the others were just a little too over the top for us.  We would love to own some investment property at some point but flipping homes seems to be very risky.

Rita

Posted by Rita Taylor | Sanford NC Real Estate & Homes for Sale in Sanford North Carolina (Century 21 Southern Realty) over 3 years ago

I'm a "Flip Junky" and so is my wife. We can sit and watch those shows all day! I have personally looked up some of those shows on google and seen some of the projects not on TV.

I will have to read your link

 

thanks

Ray

Posted by Ray Delao (Real People Realty) over 3 years ago
Jim:  Are you trying to tell us that some of these flips aren't real?  Golly gee - who'd a thunk it? lol
Posted by Joan Snodgrass Tri-Lakes Realtors, Shell Knob, MO (Tri- Lakes REALTORS) over 3 years ago

Rita   I agree!

Ray thanks!  I am very interested in these shows and watch them pretty regularly.  The article and news story on the evening news...however, was an eyeopener!

Posted by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Paramount Properties) over 3 years ago
Joan According to the evening TV news no they are not.  Homes never even changed hands.
Posted by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Paramount Properties) over 3 years ago
Those shows make it look sooooooooooooo easy. I just chuckle inside when a potential client talks about that show!
Posted by Tina Maraj Fullerton Realtor,e-pro (RE/MAX North Orange County) over 3 years ago
Tina!  It looks too easy!  Noticed they never mention taxes due on a short term sail or real estate commissions as part of their expenses!  This story on the evening news was much juicier!  No sale ever occurred, hence no profit,and fraud and theft were also alleged by investors that claim their money was stole.  The principle also had real estate licensed revoked by real estate commission.
Posted by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Paramount Properties) over 3 years ago

I found this while I was googling!

it was interesting

http://www.flipthislawsuit.com/2006/08/

it's flip this lawsuit.com

Cool Title :) 

 

Posted by Ray Delao (Real People Realty) over 3 years ago

I enjoy watching the shows.  It is obvious there is some fiction. 

If it were here in Hawaii, it would take quite awhile to get the building permits and then to get them closed out after the work is done.

Posted by Randy L. Prothero - Hawaii REALTOR® (Century 21 Liberty Homes) over 3 years ago
It doesn't suprise me. The sad part is that people watch those reality shows, think it's that easy by watching the show, then get disappointed when it's not. I just sold a home for a newbie flipper, and she was very disappointed with what she walked away with. She thought it would be much easier than it really was.
Posted by KRISTINE CROWE (COLDWELL BANKER RESIDENTIAL BROKERAGE) over 3 years ago

Ray Delao Wow!  The power of the Internet!  I added your link to the original post and gave you credit for it.

Randy  Yeah what's with the permits...sameday?  LOL!  Fiction can be fun.

Kristine everything seems easy on TV

Posted by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Paramount Properties) over 3 years ago
That's fifteen minutes of real fame
Posted by Mary Strang ~ Viroqua, WI Real Estate (RE/MAX Hill Country) over 3 years ago
Mary  As in the COPS tune! "BAD BOY, BAD BOY, WHAT YOU GOING TO DO WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU?"
Posted by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Paramount Properties) over 3 years ago
Jim, thank you for your Blog. As with any industry, there will always be bad news. The idea of purchasing a property under market value, rehabbing the property, and marketing it to make a profit has been around for many many years. There are unscrupulous Investors just as with Lenders, Brokers, Agents...on and on and on.... If your readers would like more information on Flipping Homes, please visit the website of a friend of mine here in Baltimore. Steve Cook with FlippingHomes.com
Posted by Robert B. McArtor, REALTOR, AUCTIONEER, BALTIMORE, HARFORD, CECIL MARYLAND (Long and Foster Real Estate, Inc.) over 3 years ago
Robert thank you so much for your comments and link!  I guess it takes the evening news to expose what should be exposed.
Posted by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Paramount Properties) over 3 years ago
This is an interesting topic. Everyday people should not just run out and think that flipping property is as easy as shown on TV.
Posted by Frank Rubi New Orleans LA | Kenner | Slidell (Frank Rubi Real Estate | Homes for Sale | Lic. in Louisiana ) over 3 years ago
Even for the pros it can become difficult.  I know a lot of agents now getting caught with homes they cannot move in many markets.
Posted by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Paramount Properties) over 3 years ago
You mean, we have "flipped" over a show that wasn't true?  Boy, am I easily fooled! 
Posted by Kay Van Kampen–Springfield, Ozark, Nixa Greene County Missouri Real Estate Agent (RE/MAX Broker, RE/MAX Solutions) over 3 years ago

Kay and I liked the show.  I do not like fraud and deception!  I'm very happy it was exposed.

Posted by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Paramount Properties) over 3 years ago
Jim--I am sure that most reality TV is staged. Who'd watch if it wasn't interesting? But when the public believes they can Flip and make out like a bandit...It is kind of sad. As we are the ones that have to deliver the bad news to the investor when we provide a realistic market analysis. Thanks for posting the article!
Posted by Teri Eckholm, REALTOR® Anoka County Acreage & Lakeshore Homes (REMAX Specialists) over 3 years ago

Jim,

 As they say if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is not true, I too watch the Flip It TV series, very entertaining, but not possible here, the public is too aware of real estate values to let a flipper steal a house like these guys do, Our Government sends all homeowner annual current market value assessments , which we have to compete with when pricing a home. I cannot imagine a Flipper sealing home(buying it under the assessed value)

Thanks for the news article, I do not believe it was in our news.

Jim...Have an awesome day! :0)

Posted by Victoria Oak Bay Realtor Fred Carver 250-598-2963 for Victoria Oak Bay Homes (Re/Max Camosun Oak Bay & Surrounding Area Real Estate) over 3 years ago

Teri  You are more than welcome to it.  It is sad when reality TV is not real but fabricated.  It is sadder when there is alleged fraud involved.

Fred - Thanks.  It is always interesting to learn something new.  I like the show, but now I feel sorry for the public.

Posted by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Paramount Properties) over 3 years ago
Jim - A saw the new report on it and also posted on my blog. Amazing that A & E didn't investigate them more thoroughly. Enjoyed post.
Posted by Mortgage U - Advisory Services and Training over 3 years ago
Tony  They need to be accountable to all.
Posted by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Paramount Properties) over 3 years ago

UPDATE TO STORY

http://www.comcast.net/tv/index.jsp?cat=TELEVISION&fn=/2007/06/01/678694.html

 

Posted by Jim Crawford ~ Atlanta Real Estate-ABR E-PRO (RE/MAX Paramount Properties) over 3 years ago

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